Now for a long season Israel hath been without the true God … and without law. (2 Chronicles 15:3)
Anarchy is defined, in part, as “a state of society without … law.”1 Therefore, to understand anarchy, we must first understand what constitutes law and who determines what is and what is not law.
For YHWH2 is our judge, YHWH is our lawgiver [legislator], YHWH is our king; he will save us. (Isaiah 33:22)
There is [only, NASB] one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy…. (James 4:12)
These Scriptures specify Yahweh as the exclusive lawmaker. As our Creator, only Yahweh can determine what is good and what is evil. Anything opposed to or not in harmony with Yahweh’s law is not law at all. It is instead a man-made edict by which man declares illegal what Yahweh has determined to be lawful or declares legal what Yahweh has determined to be unlawful.
Thus, America has been in a state of anarchy since 1787 when the framers formally and nationally rejected Yahweh’s immutable morality, as reflected in His perfect law (Psalm 19:7-11), as the standard for government and society.3 Anyone today who promotes the United States Constitution is promoting anarchy.
It’s this anarchy (constitutionalism) that is responsible for all the trouble America is presently experiencing. But, all is not lost; not if we will return to Yahweh as our King, Judge, and Lawgiver, and His law as the supreme law of the land:
But when they in their trouble did turn unto YHWH God of Israel, and sought him, he was found of them…. And they entered into a covenant to seek YHWH God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul. (2 Chronicles 15:4, 12)
May God speed the day!
Related post:
5 Reasons the Constitution is Our Cutting-Edge Issue
Article 1 (Rewrite)
Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant
Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective
1. Random House Webster’s College Dictionary, s.v. “anarchy” (New York, NY: Random House, Inc., 2000) p. 48.
2. YHWH, the English transliteration of the Tetragrammaton, is most often pronounced Yahweh. It is the principal Hebrew name of the God of the Bible and was inspired to appear nearly 7,000 times in the Old Testament. It was unlawfully deleted by the English translators. In obedience to the Third Commandment and the many Scriptures that charge us to proclaim, swear by, praise, extol, call upon, bless, glorify, and hold fast to His name, we have chosen to memorialize His name here in this document and in our lives. For a more thorough explanation concerning important reasons for using the sacred name of God, see “The Third Commandment.”
3. Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective
For now, I am just going to say that you are only looking at a minute sampling of Scripture that dangerously places us BACK under The BONDAGE OF THE LAW. If we as Christians travel down this route, we are saying that everything Jesus taught and did to discredit the hypocrisy of the Pharasees and the Saducees; Paul’s teachings in Romans and in 1st and 2nd Timothy, just for starters, are a lie. And we know THAT is not TRUTH because:
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” [2 Timothy 3:16-17]
We are not SUBJECT to the BONDAGE of the Law (which was perverted by Man then and continues through Corruption, Recklessness, and Arrogance TODAY); I would recommend that you go back to Romans 8 and review what Paul says with what you are implying. Are you saying that Paul was wrong? Everything that Jesus taught in the Gospels of Matthew to John are wrong?
Don’t misinterpret what I am saying and asking , there are people who, through the Constitution, are no better than Theological hypocrites; however, I DO NOT believe that the entire Constitution and the Framers of these Documents were anarchists. Do I believe they hit the mark? No…….
However, I do believe that they were intelligent GOD FEARING Men of Honor and FAITH who had a Monumental undertaking to install a NEW Government to replace the Tyranny of a King (who was not better than corrupt Biblical Kings), the fact that they sought GOD’s Providence and WISDOM in their endeavors should be taken into account. Their hearts were focused on GOD and WHAT GOD WOULD WANT.
“The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice,
crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”
[Founding Father and educator Noah Webster (1758-1843)]
“Good government generally begins in the family, and if the moral character of a
people once degenerate; their political character must soon follow.”
[Elias Boudinot, President of the Continential Congress]
I would suggest we expand our research before throwing a thought out to the wind for discussion. There are many sluggards on these sites who take things at face value.
“Judge not according to the appearance, but JUDGE (“dicern” Diakrino) RIGHTEOUS Judgment” [John 7:24]
Look at Scriptural accusation with regards to 1 Timothy; ALL Scripture is inspired by GOD and then look at 1 Timothy 1:8-9. The KEY PROBLEM is when “MAN” corrupts
the Law. Those who live by the Spirit of the Law are free from the Bondage of the Law. Those who corrupt and defile the Law are wicked and unrighteous, which is where we are today. The Constitution isn’t bad persay but it is MAN’s perversion of the Spirit of the Constitution that makes your claim that men become Anarchists through the Constitution.
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis
Snowman, thank you for responding. However, if you think that promoting
Yahweh’s perfect triune moral law (His commandments, statutes, and
judgments) rather than man’s fickle edicts (Matthew 15:6-9) as the
optimum standard for society is putting us back under the bondage of the
law, you don’t understand the term correctly.
Bondage to the
law in the New Testament has nothing to do with societal government, but
with us as individuals believing we must keep the law in order to be
justified. In other words, you’ve merely built a straw man. For more
regarding a proper understanding of what the Apostle meant by this and similar terms,
may I suggest a careful reading of “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance
Under the New Covenant” at
http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html.
As
for the late 1700 Founders being “God fearing men of honor and faith”: I
recommend Dr. Albert Mohler’s interview with Dr. Gregg Frazer. Dr.
Frazer demonstrates from the key founders’ own writings (without cherry
picking them) that they were neither Deists in the purest sense of the
word, nor were they Christians in the Biblical sense of the word.
You can find a transcript of the interview at
http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/09/10/what-did-americas-founders-really-believe-a-conversation-with-historian-gregg-frazer-transcript/.
(Dr. Mohler is President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
Dr. Frazer is Professor of History at the Master’s College in
California.)
You wrote, “…the fact that they sought GOD’s
Providence and WISDOM in their endeavors should be taken into account. ”
I take it you’re referring to Benjamin Franklin’s proposal for prayer
during the Convention. Please take into the account the rest of story
seldom told:
” Although it is true that four or five weeks into the
Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin proposed “prayers imploring
the assistance of heaven, and its blessing upon our deliberations, be
held in this assembly,”73 his proposal did not even merit a vote.74 Franklin wrote, “The Convention, except three or four persons, thought prayers unnecessary.”75 This alone is an abomination to Yahweh:
‘…I will cut off … them
that are turned back from YHWH; and those that have not sought YHWH, nor
inquired for him.’ (Zephaniah 1:4-6)…”
Excerpted from Chapter 3
“The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH” at
http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt3.html.
The quotations you used (that many employ) have little bearing on the question as to whether the Constitution is Biblically compatible. This is because there is hardly an Article or Amendment that, in some fashion, is not antithetical, if not seditious, to Yahweh’s sovereignty and morality–http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/blvc-index.html.
I’ll check these out and if I have any questions or comments and I’ll get back to you. I don’t disagree with all of what you are saying, but I think there are unknowns that we will never know regarding the true intentions from our Founding Fathers; and we end up judging by appearance. I will do some Bible Study and some more research.
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis
Ted- just sent a reply to snowman. don’t know why I’m even bothering, you seem Hell-Bent on Bad-Mouthing the FOUNDING-FATHERS. Guess you’ve never read their Quotes. Perhaps you’ve forgotten just hoe vengeful and Spiteful ur God the God of the OLD-Testament could be. Jesus came along and changed it. I’m sorry for my rants but I’m sick to death of hate of the founders. Maybe you should look-up David Barton
It would serve you well to study an opponent’s argument before you reply. To not do so makes you appear foolish. The God of the Old Testament is the very same God of the New Testament. To state otherwise is to call Christ a liar. Reading the quotes of the framers tends to CONDEMN them, not justify them. Their personal notes give absolutely no indication that establishing a Christian nation was their intent. Quite the opposite is true. They had every opportunity to establish God’s law as the backbone of our government. Sadly, they intentionally rejected God and His law, and substituted it with man’s Humanistic law. And we have been suffering the consequences ever since.
Suggesting one read David Barton for a credible study of American history, is like suggesting one ask a vegan about the best cut of steak. Both will get answers. And both will feel undernourished and dissatisfied.
“…If we believe Yahweh is unquestionably just, we must
embrace His means of punishment and renounce the Eighth Amendment as rebellion against Him. Because He is a loving and merciful God, who desires no one to perish and everyone to come to repentance, His judgments are not only just but also remedial and preventative:
‘And thou shalt stone him [a promoter of false gods] with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from YHWH thy God…. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you’. (Deuteronomy 13:10-11)26
“People who identify themselves as “New Testament Christians”27 play right into the hands of the anti-capital punishment establishment. Such Christians make a distinction between the “God of the Old Testament” and the “God of the New Testament.” They believe the God of the Old Testament was cruel, vengeful, and unsympathetic, whereas the God of the New Testament is loving, merciful, and gracious. Are there
two Gods in the Bible?
‘…I am YHWH I change not….’ (Malachi 3:6)
‘…the Father … with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.’ (James 1:17)
“Consider also the following Old Testament descriptions of Yahweh:
‘…YHWH God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.’ (Exodus 34:6)
‘O give thanks unto YHWH; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.’ (1 Chronicles 16:34)
‘…thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness….’ (Nehemiah 9:17)
‘Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord YHWH: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?… For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord YHWH: wherefore turn yourselves, and live
ye.’ (Ezekiel 18:23, 32)
“Whether viewed from the Old or the New Testament perspective, Yahweh is a God of love, grace, and mercy….”
For more, see Chapter 17 “Amendment 8: Bail, Fines, and Cruel and Unusual Punishments” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt17.html.
I once shared many of your thoughtful concerns… I have since “repented” and look to the One True Lawgiver, not only for my salvation through the Blood of Christ, but for His Divine Wisdom to govern my family, with the ultimate goal of of community & nation! As Christ himself states in John 14:15: If ye love me, keep (obey) my commandments (God’s Law, i.e. the 10 Commandments AND their summation, found in Matthew 22:38-40 & elsewhere).
God bless you as you seek His Wisdom and Kingdom.
I once shared many of your thoughtful concerns… I have since “repented” and look to the One True Lawgiver, not only for my salvation through the Blood of Christ, but for His Divine Wisdom to govern my family, with the ultimate goal of community & nation! As Christ himself states in John 14:15: If ye love me, keep (obey) my commandments (God’s Law, i.e. the 10 Commandments AND their summation, found in Matthew 22:38-40 & elsewhere).
God bless you as you seek His Wisdom and Kingdom.
Thank you and I do on a personal basis and with my family7/365. TRUTH from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21….ALL applicable to everyone on a PERSONAL LEVEL and when followed, as in the way Elias Boudinet cited, it is very relevant to our Nation today. To everyone here, I DO NOT DISAGREE that we, as a Nation, have ignored and turned our backs on GOD (in ALL ASPECTS thereof), but Nobody here can say what the Character was of our Founding Fathers.
In the dissertation that we have violated GOD’s Laws, we must take notice to what Mr. Boudinet stated, “…if the moral character of a
people once degenerate; their political character must soon follow.”
So what would you expect from a politician who is either ignorant or has turn their back on GOD? But you CANNOT falsely LUMP a few as “ALL” whether it be good or bad. We are commanded to teach our children Scripture (Deuteronomy 6) and that ties into what you said about looking to the One True Lawgiver and our sanctification through Jesus Christ.
However, Nobody here is qualified to say whether or not the Founding Fathers DID or DID NOT DO that; DID or DID NOT LIVE and GOVERN by GOD. Given the historical documentation that shows The Bible was taught not only at home but also within the Educational System from the 1600’s through the 1900s and the fact that EVERY Senator and Congressman had been provided a Bible WITHIN the Congress, I can say that GOD was present in our History. Have we transgressed from GOD? Absolutely! Just as the Israelites have for Centuries upon Centuries and have today.
We all can debate here on who’s right and who’s wrong; who’s Righteous and who is “SELF-RIGHTEOUS” because it boils down to this.
“All the ways of man are CLEAN in HIS OWN EYES, but the Lord weigheth the Spirit” [Proverbs 16:2]
When a person’s “I’s” are too close together…..it’s time to move on. That goes for the “My”[s] too……Just ask Nebuchadnezzar……
When we reflect back to Genesis 8:21 it is obvious as to WHY we are where we are; GOD said he will never again destroy the earth by flood because MAN IS EVIL FROM HIS YOUTH…..”
What is more important is what we do with OURSELVES; beginning with our OWN HEARTS.
If we don’t CHECK OURSELVES we WILL NEVER get our Nation in Check, so it is irrelevant on what we THINK WE KNOW (assumptions) about others, it IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO as individuals FIRST.
“For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
For every man shall bear his own burden.” [Galatians 6:3-5]
If WE as a Nation could DO ONLY THIS one thing……the rest would fall into place and We WOULD RETURN, as a Nation to GOD.
You may want to read some American History BEFORE it too is perverted by today’s ProgressiSocialCommunists in which they falsely state we were never a Christian Nation:
‘Christian Life and the Character of Civil Institutions of the United States’ by B.F. Morris in 1864
http://www.archive.org/details/ChristianLifeAndCharacterOfTheCivilInstitutionsOfTheUnitedStates
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis
“You may want to read some American History BEFORE it too is perverted by today’s ProgressiSocialCommunists in which they falsely state we were never a Christian Nation:”
You presume that those of us who believe the Constitutional framers to have abandoned God have not read history, and that only those on the left believe we were not founded as a Christian nation. That is far from the truth. The fact is that we love our Creator enough that we have been willing to search much deeper for the truth, no matter how unpopular it might be. We can know what the framers were thinking during the Constitutional process itself. Years after the death of the last Constitutional participant, the personal notes made by all of the delegates during the deliberations were published. In the more than 34,000 pages of notes, describing the discussions and thoughts of all of those present, ANY mention of Biblical law and Christian government was completely absent.
This is the smoking gun. If there had been ANY desire for the framers to construct a Constitution rooted firmly in the concept of Biblical law, there would be evidence of such an intent. Sadly, it DOES NOT exist. The best counterfeits look so much like the original that it is almost impossible to distinguish the two. That is not even remotely the case with the Constitution. On so many levels, it violates the very precepts of Scripture. Unfortunately, we have been told a lie for so long that we can no longer discern the truth. The Constitution erected a system of governance deeply tied to the libertine philosophy of Humanism at the heart of the Age of Enlightenment. That is antipodal to the heart of Scripture, which can only be found in Yahweh’s perfect, immutable law.
Over a hundred years ago appeared a song (now nearly unknown) written by Frederick J. Gillman, titled “God Send Us Men”. To me, the words speak about the laws of man (“some ancient creed” i.e. the Constitution, the Magna Carta, et al) vs. the Laws of God. I’ve shared them before and am pleased to do so again:
God send us men whose aim ’twill be
Not to defend some ancient creed,
But to live out the laws of Christ
In every thought and word and deed.
God send us men alert and quick
His lofty precepts to translate,
Until the laws of Christ become
The laws and habits of the state.
God send us men of steadfast will,
Patient, courageous, strong and true,
With vision clear and mind equipped
His will to learn, his work to do.
God send us men with hearts ablaze,
All truth to love, all wrong to hate;
These are the patriots nations need;
These are the bulwarks of the state.
The only thing better than the words to this song is hearing you and your family sing them: http://www.farnumfamily.org/assets/clips/Leaning/10%20God%20Send%20Us%20Men.mp3
Amen!
“……The best counterfeits look so much like the original that it is almost impossible to distinguish the two. That is not even the case with the Constitution. On so many levels, it violates the very precepts of Scripture. Unfortunately, we have been told a lie for so long that we can no longer discern the truth……”
Based on that, how can you be certain that the 34,000 documents you cited aren’t counterfeit? And I present to you that based on what you cited; we have athiests and anarchists working overtime stating that we are NOT a Judeo-Christian Nation and We are defending Our Country is the the opposite; you are here trying to say otherwise and yet on the other hand, you are citing GOD’s immutable law. So I have a questions for you and also for Mr. Weiland.
What is the Answer? Here and now. I dont want to read anybody’s book of self authored “OPINIONS”; I am asking “What must man do SPECIFICALLY to WHICH LAWS are you and Mr. Weiland addressing that must be followed?” How far back? Exodus and the Decalouge? Man’s interjection and manipulation to the Decalouge (Pharisees) to the twisted Heresey that evolved from GOD’s Commandments?
Are you saying that we must follow draconian Laws found in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy and stone Harlots, Homosexuals, followers of Beastiality? What about thieves? Cut off their hands, cut out the tongues of liars or offer a kid, or a lamb for sacrafice?
WHAT LAWS do you expect we revert back to?
Matthew is being cited here as reference on an earlier posting, so if that is the case, “NOT ONE JOT, NOT ONE TITTLE”; be careful what you seek……………
Here lies the problem, see it doesn’t matter what Laws you cite; until the INDIVIDUAL PERSON confesses, REPENTS, and CHANGES their wicked ways, then their HOUSE must change, etc…etc…etc.up the chain. Then—-and ONLY THEN shall we Return to OUR LORD as a Nation (2 Chronicles 7:14).
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis
Snowman, you asked, “What must man do SPECIFICALLY to WHICH LAWS are you and Mr. Weiland addressing that must be followed?”
My answer may be found in “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html. (Only nineteen pages.) You also said you wanted it here and now. Well, there you have it here and now. It’s just as easy for you to hit the link and read my answer there as it would be if I were to unnecessarily take the time to reproduce it here.
Snowman-are you east-bound and Down? 🙂 Very much agree with ur writings and ue answers to Ted. whom I’m getting very tired of his myopic way of bad-mouthing the FOUNDING-FATHERS. Maybe he is unaware that his God, the God of the old-testament was vengeful, spiteful, he seemed to love to have his servants inflict pain and if the didn’t do as he commanded, king david comes to mind. It was Jesus who brought love and compassion. Never heard Ted talk, but I think I’d rather listen to Pastor John Haggee. Now there’s a old time Fire&Brimstoner. Thx again for ur very intelligent thoughts and words
Thank you Partiot.WW48, understand how you would get that OT GOD was vengeful, etc….but I pray you don’t continue to think that way of Our Lord. When we look in depth, we cannot say that OT Believers and Feigned hearts weren’t sufficiently warned, now can we? How many times must one stick their hands on the burning coals before yelling “Foul” because they got burned?
GOD gives is many chances to repent and we fail to listen; ignoring him and then we further insult him because we got ourselves in a mess. (Reaping what we sowed)…
Then we go one further, we pray for GOD to “FIX IT” like some Genie who just grants us wishes. I know my generation’s Parents, Grandparents and for those of us who were blessed to know our Great-Grandparents experienced things, where we were let loose to hang ourselves and we paid the price, a HUGE Price if we did something we were RIGHTFULLY WARNED NOT TO DO…….
GOD, Our Father knows we are going to mess up, and sometimes we have to hit the bedrock of the canyon, where there is no other way out except UP and then we must overcome that low in our life and CLAW our way out before we learn to NEVER DO THAT again.
Our Government is in that bedrock, but instead of clawing their way out, they requested shovels.
I’m partial to Dr. Charles Stanley and his son Andy, Dr. Stanley is like that wise old Grandpa that just tells you how much he likes you because you remind him of him when HE was young and stupid. And yet he gets the point across so elequently without all the “I’s” and “my’s”. His son Andy is great for teens on up and will do well when he has to take the reigns. Like Franklin Graham has.
God Bless…………..
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis
I just finished reading the Mohler/Frazier interview. I think many of our founding fathers were not real honest with their many Christian constituents. They seemed to keep their real views hidden, while making speeches to please the many Christians in society. Christianity was being down played while mankind tried to devise a way to govern themselves without sacred Scripture.
Politicians! They’re the same in every generation.
Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. THY KINGDOM COME.
I’m on the same page, and think anarchy makes a good headline. But perhaps their position is actually worse than lawlessness- the idolatry of humanism. Bowing down to the laws of “we the people” while preaching it is under God.
I agree!